Packer memorial service upsets luvvies
Age readers aghast at memorial service for Packer.
But since news of the state memorial service broke, The Age has been deluged with letters from aggrieved taxpayers. Noel Howard, of Heathmont, asked whether the memorial service would involve “a conga line of Coalition MPs delivering their eulogies to their patron saint and number one supporter”.How sweet the sound; the politics of envy.
The Opposition spokesman for public accountability, Kelvin Thomson, said: “I would suggest the guidelines might be in need of some review.”Don’t make the review to big or Gough Whitlam will dumped in a hole at midnight when he finally departs. Whatever you think of Packer, his life had more positives than Whitlam’s.
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You are definitely on a roll today Kev. I agree that Packer’s contribution was far greater than Whitlam’s. Sure, Whitlam went into public office to serve Australia. Admittedly he made mistakes, but whether you agree with his policies, he was serving Australia and was elected twice by the Australian public. What an idiot ! !
Packer on the other hand acted purely for money. He may have donated the odd million here and there (though relative to his total worth, was he really making a sacrifice) but his one master was Money. Wealth. I loved his honesty admitting he minimised his tax. Why bother paying a cent more than he had to. In fact, by using whatever loop hole he could find to minimise his tax, he was being truely patriotic. Far more than Whitlam ever was.
So yes, by living his life in the pursuit of money, Packer contributed far more to Australia than Whitlam. And his motives were always consistent. Money. God bless your life Kerry. You are evidence that the pursuit of money is a honerable thing. And as a taxpayer, I am more than happy for taxpayers to fund a state funeral for this man worth $6.7B.
Kev. Do you support a state funeral for Kerry ?
Packer’s god was money and in practice he created jobs and wealth. Whitlam’s god was Whitlam and in practice he virtually bankrupted the country both financially and morally. The papers are released, the evidence is there to read should you wish to do so.
What’s this fixation with tax minimisation. Do you instruct your accountant to maximise? It’s both legal, moral and smart to only pay your dues.
Whitlam was re-elected because he hid the parlous state of Australia’s economy and unempoyment figures from the public. After they become public he was dead in the water.
Whitlam cost us billions and destroyed thousands of jobs with his unilateral tariff laws; Packer paid taxes, employed people and donated millions. He’s ahead
I agree Kev. The fact is that Packer choose to employ people not because it would serve Australia but because it generated him more money. And there is nothing wrong with wanting money. Greed is good !
The sooner we accept that the man who seeks to serve Money, rather than the man who seeks to serve the community through public life is more moral, the better our society will be. I mean, how stupid are those that do volunteer work. What idiots. They would be far better going out making money. All those Salvo’s trying to raise money to help others are idiots too. I see these thing with such clarrity now…. thanks Kev !
I love all these idiots squawking about Kezza’s tax minimisation. Forget all his companies for a minute and just look at what he paid in personal tax. More in one year than most people pay in a lifetime!
Did he Gibbo ? I wish I knew how to find out what he individually paid ? I’d be curious to know….
John, your sarcasm and emotive arguements aren’t impacting. I didn’t say greed was good, only that in this case the greed (your words) or the striving to succeed (my words) produced more than the man who ” served the public”. You seem to think that Whitlam was honourable in his desire to serve the public…can’t see it myself.
Your thoughtless crack about the Salvos gains no debating points. I spend considerable time serving the community but if I ever left Legacy, for example, in the state that Whitlam left Australia I would pull out. If some staff lost their jobs, if the widows weren’t aided and if Legacy almost went bankrupt all because of my ideology I would hide in shame.
Whitlam has the temerity and gall to walk around like an elder statesman – the Packers commemorate and then get on with life.
So you support a state funeral for Kerry then Kev ?
I’m pretty ambivalent about it but if it winds up the left, then hell yes.
“Lets avoid the emotive response“–John Dosan
Sure thing john please lead the way or get out of the way.
Via The Currency Lad
50 years of television, Part two
Shows the pety screaching from John Dosan for what it is.
And John its a memorial service not a state funeral. Diferant in size,intent and cost.
So long as it winds up the left…. well, I guess that’s the difference between those of the
left and those of the right. People like you Kev only seek to do something if it hurts those
with whome who disagree where as those of the left seek to do something because they believe
it to be correct…. even if, with the benefit of hindsight, they are wrong ! ! !
Its vindictive, but then again, perhaps it agress with your personality more so who am I to question it….. I think your posting today have been illuminating as to the type of person you are !
Yes, it is the difference. The Left seem to be devoid of a sense of humour
The Left refuse to even use the benefit of foresight. If they did they might realize early on that they are wrong and then maybe, just maybe, they would stop and think. Whitlam could’ve taken some advice on tariffs but when you know everything, how could you?
John: “I wish I knew how to find out what he individually paid ? I’d be curious to know….”
Once again you are saying…”I don’t know what I’m talking about and have no facts to back my argument but I’ll argue anyway”.
You are the one making accusations about Kezza’s tax minimisation. You provide the research to back your claims. I’m not doing it for you.
Oh Kev….. no sense of humour ???? Who was complaining about my sarcasm earlier ???
I was interested to note that the new Tory leader, with the benefit of hindsight, has decided to throw away Thatcherism. Check out this story.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17717309%255E2703,00.html
With the benefit of hindsight, Vietnam was a complete waste of 500 Australian lives, though I digress.
Gibbo. About Kerry Packer stating he minimised his tax. That was his words. He stated it in that Senate enquiry of 1991. So ummm…. yeah…. thats what he openly has stated on public record…. so with what source do you make the claim he paid more personal income tax than the average citizen ???
“People like you Kev only seek to do something if it hurts those with whome who disagree”–John Dosan
Its your mate peter who
“If I heard my father spouting the crap that I have heard; I would probably put him on his arse.”–peter
http://www.kevgillett.net/?p=818#comment-6359
“So long as it winds up the left…. well, I guess that’s the difference between those of the
left and those of the right. People like you Kev only seek to do something if it hurts those
with whome who disagree where as those of the left seek to do something because they believe
it to be correct”–John Dosan
What were you trying to do with that badly constructed sarcasm,John?
Gary – Gotta rush. The badly miscontructed statement was alluding to the fact that Kev appeared to endorse a state funeral for Kerry only on the proviso that it pissed off members of the left. I was suggesting that it represents a common thread for those of the right… that being that the value of a certain idea is greater when it pisses off the left…. Kev subsequently suggested I lacked a sense of humour, to which I have responded. Kev and I enjoy the sparring. Please stay out of it….
“Please stay out of it….”–John Dosan
Um NO!. you think and treat this site as a publicly funded pissing hole. But it is not and you are not on the list on who says what to whom.
Self entitled prat.
John, everyone minimises their tax. What I am simply saying is that that he still earnt a massive amount and PAID a massive amount of tax in dollar terms. You can play silly buggers all day with percentages but in dollar terms he paid more in 12 months than the average shmuck pays in his lifetime.
Maximised your tax lately John?
By the way, there is no State Funeral. This has already been pointed out but I suppose it comes under the terms “fake but accurate”. If you are going to try to stir the pot then at least try to stay somewhere near the facts.
This Dosan character is nice type isn’t he?
Comes into someones else’s house, shits on the floor, and starts a fight about everything he can think of.
Typical troll. All anonymous arseholes trying to prove how superior they are from the safety of an anonymous internet connection.
Why don’t you just piss off, you freak.
I like the assumption that Packer went into business to help Packer (and helped others in the process), but Whitlam went into politics to help others.
The objective record shows that Packer gave away his own money, wheras Whitlam gave away our money – the fact is Whitlam went into politics to glorify
Whitlam and helped nobody.
Kev, I am looking forward to when the papers on IRAQ, Children Overboard, Woomera Detention Center, ETC ETC come out from the Howard years,
Eddie, Don’t expect too much satisfaction. Even if you don’t like what he does Howard does it by the book and breaks no laws or constitution.
Whitlam….well that’s another issue.
No he may not break constitution, he has however been condemded by amnesty international over human rights issues in detention centers.
As lying itself is not against the law (unless in court where I understand you can be charged with contempt), Kev is correct to point out that Howard has broken no laws.
Lies, what lies?
Amnesty…ah yes. Australia takes in 5,000 refugees amongst 123,000 immigrants but all we remember is the few suspect individuals trying to get access to our superior social security. I have to tell you Eddie, I don’t really care too much about people being detained for illegal entry. As far as I can see Australia had an illegal boat trade, Howard reacted and now we don’t.
A lot of the illegals were simply very suspicious…why would you destroy your papers before landing? Ah, I know. Beacuse the snake traders, the people making money from the transport of these people told them…no papers, they can’t tell who you are, what you’ve done or where you’ve been. Works overseas. Didn’t work here.
Howard put them in the detention centres that Labour built but now it’s a conservative government using them it’s gains Amnesty condemnation.
Back on topic, I reckon KP was an alright bloke, did a fair bit for this country and introduced 1 day cricket a champpion act in itself, as for the tax minimization, I will dodge tax any way I can and anyone who has any sense would too.
We agree there. I particularly liked the new cricket idea. Centuries without change and who has four or five days to spend watching or listening to cricket. I don’t care if he only did it for his own pocket, we all benefited.
“Nothing can alter the fact that I have in my possession an ONA report that states baldly… that children were thrown in the water.”
John Howard, SBS Insight program, 8 November 2001
“The Government’s position remains that we were advised by Defence that children were thrown overboard, we made those allegations on the basis of that advice, and until I get Defence advice to the contrary I will maintain that position”.
John Howard, Sunrise, Channel 7, 9 November 2001
“Iraq continues to work on developing nuclear weapons—uranium has been sought from Africa that has no civil nuclear application in Iraq….”
John Howard, Ministerial Statement, 4 February 2003
Currency Lad has a good take onChildren Overboard. They might not have been dropped in the water on the day Howard was told they did but they were.
Iraq had a WMD and nuclear programme before the war according to every intelligence source including the UN and European sources. The fact that evidence coudn’t be found was most probably because the Iraqis removed it.
I know you guys have to believe that Howard lied and that’s the only reason the electorate voted him in otherwise you would have to accept he was just the better option.
Can’t have that.
“I can promise you that we will follow policies which will, over a period of time, bring down the foreign debt…. our first priority in Government economically will be to tackle the current account deficit.”
John Howard, Doorstop interview, Debt Truck Launch, 20 September 1995
“…we will ask the Auditor-General to draw up new guidelines on what is an appropriate use of taxpayers’ money in this area. There is clearly a massive difference between necessary Government information for the community and blatant Government electoral propaganda. Propaganda should be paid for by political parties.”
John Howard, Press Release, “Auditor-General to examine Government Advertising”, 5 September 1995
John Its a custom and helps creditability to link to the original. Should I have to point out why?
Read this transcript about the foreign debt…. do I really have to hunt down the auditor general comment ???
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2004/s1191084.htm
TONY JONES: But this is the pledge you made in September of 1995 – “I can promise you we will follow policies “which will bring down the foreign debt.”
Now why didn’t you keep that key economic promise?
JOHN HOWARD: Well, Tony, I won’t argue with you as to what I precisely said, although I haven’t checked the exact words, but what I will say in reply to that is that when you’re making a judgment on a government and on an individual, you look at the totality of that government’s performance.
If you’re trying to suggest that this Government hasn’t presided over a strongly growing, low inflationary, low interest rate economy –
TONY JONES: I’m asking you specifically about the promise you made in ’95.
Why make the promise in the first place if you’re not going to keep it?
JOHN HOWARD: Tony, I’m not avoiding that.
I’m simply inviting you and your viewers to look at the totality of what this Government has done…..
and on he goes….
Kev,
I see that you are still peddling the old line about the childern overboard.
I would have thought that you would accept the word of Angus Houston than the lies from little old “shifty” Howard. It did not happen and one day you might just concede the point. Reminds me of Bush and the WMD’s that you still say exists.
It did not happen as Howard and reith said it did not matter how much spin you want to put on it.
Stop polishing the ball Kev or some other part of your anatomy and open your eyes to Howard’s crap.
I see that we are going to fork out for Kerry’s funeral. I suppose he did have a few in in his pocket and it might be worthwhile keeping Junior and the family on side.
Kerry paid FA tax and was proud of it.
I have probably paid more than him in my short working life and have no sympathy for him.
Sure he did a few good things along the way such as sending children to Disneyland but I contrast it with his punting and the ggod that he might have done if he had spent less on the punt and more on philanthropy. I suppose he has a right to spend his money as he feels fit but I don’t think Kev that you should canonise him yet. Next you will be doing the same for “shifty”.
I could call him the “rodent” but I have decided to be more polite this year. I am sure Gary and PQ will be happy at my change in attitude.
What do you think about that?
Peter a lie is retelling a known untruth. That hasn’t been proven in Howard’s case.
On the other hand this “I see that we are going to fork out for Kerry’s funeral.”–peter
Is a LIE!!
Gary – Was Howard lying about the foreign debt ? He appears to be a little defensive when Jones was questioning him
You only have Tony’s word on that,John.
But lets say Howard did.
If he knew he couldn’t then yes!
If he tried and failed then no!
“I have probably paid more than him in my short working life”–peter
BULL SHIT!
“I see that you are still peddling the old line about the childern overboard. – blah, blah, blah”
Why is it then, that I have a photo of children in the water?
Is the photo a lie?
Maybe its the same photo Howard had…. which we now know was crap.
Everyone knows he lied. When we look back on this period of High foreign debt, Howard will be seen for what he was, in the same manner in which Nixon is now viewed for what he was !
I think you’ll find the correct term is “perjury”, not contempt- that’s what I hold for dickheads like you. Packer and PBL would have coughed more into consolidated revenue in a day than any of you lefty dingbats would make in a lifetime- made in most cases from the same consolidated revenue that KP (and every other productive citizen) fed like a bottomless pit. When any of you whining marxists actually generate some wealth, rather than hoover it, you can bleat about how it’s spent; in the meantime, consider yourselves lucky that people like Packer and many of the readers of this site bother getting out of the farter in the morning and generate some dosh to fund the taxes that you and your ilk leach off. Please feel free to get a real job at any time.
Harry,
If you read the account from Houston and others on the ship the Navy seamen rescuing them requested that they jump in the water so that they could be easily rescued.
You might also recall that they were wearing life jackets supplied by the Navy.
Harry they were not thrown there by their parents in an attempt to blackmail the government. I would believe Houston before I would believe the time of the day from the rodent and his mate Reith. Incideantally the same Reith whose son ripped you and me off with his mobile phone bill which was never repaid in full by his old man. I suppose our taxes are there to be squandered by the likes of them.
PB,
I do have a real job. I wonder what you do. Please tell me. You might even surpise me. I hope you are not one of the 30% of the population on benefits and you have a “real job” as you quaintly put it.
I am not even a Marxist. I notice the cold war rhetoric. Mate that finished some time ago but I suppose a dinosur like you can’t walk in the realms of the real.
Incidentally I I pay top rate of tax and probably have contributed more in real terms that the big K.
Unlike him, my God is not the dollar.
Gary,
You are starting to sound like Rumsfeld. Is a lie telling a known untruth. Strewth! mate spare the Rumsfeld speak. I suppose I shouldn’t call you mate. I am doing my best to be nice to you this year. Please forgive me.
Next you will be quoting P K Botha to me.
Now Rumsfeld he would be your hero and of the two thousand or so GI’s killed and the thousands maimed.
I love hearing Rumsfeld speak or unspeak. I stil recall the senetence about the known unknowns etc etc.
Good old draft dodger that he is.
I’m a customs broker, trade consultant and vocational teacher. All my income is from private sources, and I pay a poultice in personal tax, and collect a vast sum more on behalf of the commonwealth. You claim to have a real job- is it one which actually generates private sector wealth, or one which is reliant on public funding? If the latter, you don’t pay tax- you recieve less benefit from consolidated revenue than you feel entitled to. A big difference. Any idea how much most of us would miss the public sector if it dissapeared? Not at all in my case.
PB, A hint to peters occupation is in his shifting from.
“I have probably paid more [tax] than him in my short working life�
to
“Incidentally I I pay top rate of tax and probably have contributed more in real terms that the big K. ”
Lawyer.
Either way its still bull shit.
peter
Have you ever repeated some thing that you thought was true but later found out it was not?
If so does that make you a liar?
Gary,
You revert to type again.
Please make some sense so that I can respond.
I know I might be a little thick but sometimes you do need you to help me by writing something intelligible.
I need to hear your defence of the big K who you think is an Australian hero.
Why not mount some arguments instead of gibberish.
No more draft dodger speak please. it is a New Year.
“I need to hear your defence of the big K who you think is an Australian hero.'”–peter
No I don’t and haven’t said said anything to imply that I did.