PM defends the indefensible
PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has defended the federal government’s 2011 ban on live exports, ahead of a possible confrontation with protesters in Perth.
Ms Gillard said the government had to place a temporary ban on live exports after video surfaced of Australian animals being mistreated in Indonesia.
“We faced a situation where if we did nothing and images of this kind of cruelty just came back to Australia time after time after time, then community anxiety would have got to the stage where people would have said ban this industry and ban it for all time,” she told ABC radio on Wednesday.
No, you didn’t have to place a ban on live exports. There are a lot of degrees between doing nothing and wiping out an industry to garner the votes of animal activists. The government could have spoken to Indonesian abattoirs and helped them lift their game. They could have spoken to the Indonesian government and offered assistance to the industry. They also could have spoken to the 4Corners producers and the animal activists behind the doco and told them to rack off and stop running campaigns to close down the cattle industry overall. But no, just these few steps could be construed as helping the industry and all the jobs entailed within and that would be too much for the Gillard government. Picking up votes to stay in power is what it is all about. It certainly isn’t about managing the country for everyone. From my talking to cattlemen no one is going to invest any more money in the cattle industry until this mob of children are out of power and who could blame them.
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Who could blame the cow cockies for not spending money on growing beef herds when this so called government knee-jerks at everything instead of managing a situation. Oops! Management and Labor shouldn’t be mentioned together nor even insinuated as complementary.
They also could have spoken to the 4Corners producers and the animal activists behind the doco and told them to rack off and stop running campaigns to close down the cattle industry
This is exactly the kind of activity that News Limited has been screaming blue murder about since Finklestein.
What happened to the lofty ideal of a free unfettered media?
Stupid beyond belief, aren’t you numbers.
The difference between legislating to shut down debate and suggesting to a media outlet that they might want to stop running down an Australian industry is genuinely beyond you isn’t it?
and now, on to your regularly scheduled “I was conscripted, woe is me” whining.
running down an Australian industry or exposing animal cruelty? They reported the truth as I recall. The industry ran itself down.
and now, on to your regularly scheduled “I was conscripted, woe is me” whining.
Where did I mention conscription? You’re obsessed – get help.
I note that they didn’t push for closing the Australian cattle processing industry when cruelty was exposed there and nice attempt to dodge the fact that there is a colossal difference between theoretically suggesting that something not be shown and actually attempting to legislate to control the media and that you are too biased and stupid to see it.
You may not have mentioned conscription in this thread yet, but you will, you can’t help it, you always do. I’m not obsessed by it, I’m amused by the fact that you always bring everything back to it.
there is a colossal difference between theoretically suggesting that something not be shown and actually attempting to legislate to control the media
First up – They (the government) also could have spoken to the 4Corners producers and the animal activists behind the doco and told them to rack off and stop running campaigns
That was Kev’s quote.
Please explain the difference between “telling them to stop” and
attempting to legislate to control the media
And tell us how setting up an independent monitor for the print media is any different from what exists now for the electronic media in the shape of ACMA.
As for conscrption, you brought it into this thread, not me. Given that you have, you must believe it’s relevant, so I’ll remind you of a little bit of contemporary history.
The only government that instituted conscription in this country in peacetime was a Coalition government. It was also used to send conscripted troops to fight overseas. When Labor used it in WW2 it was zoned for Australian territorities. That was in wartime.
Two referenda were held in WW1 on conscription. Both were defeated. The Coalition in the sixties didn’t have the honesty to put it to the people.
Conscription, as introduced by a Coalition in the sixties, is the natural extension of Conservative philosophy – i.e. the preservation of the status quo at all costs. We should never forget it, and I’ll continue to remind you of this dark chapter in our history at every opportunity.
Thanks for bringing it up. The real reason for the strong reaction to any mention of Conscription on this blog and others is that Coalition supporters hate to be reminded of it. Sorry ’bout that….
1735099 …..”As for conscrption, you brought it into this thread”…..Your attempt at the spelling of ‘conscription’ is extremely poor for a person who claims to be a stickler for spelling. You cannot claim an attempt at phonetic spelling as it does not have the required sounds, so I guess a light touch on the required key is your excuse, and non use of the spell checker. Brings tears to my eyes, just like the B.S. you continually reiterate in relation to said subject. You were hand picked for a job you didn’t want to do, got a deferral hoping it wouldn’t last and gave it your best shot when the opportunity arose…..get over it Robinson Crusoe.
just like the B.S. you continually reiterate in relation to said subject.
Tell me what is BS about the content of my post.
Well, lets see, I said “theoretically suggesting that something not be shown and actually attempting to legislate to control the media”, if you are so pig ignorant (and I genuinely believe you are) that you cannot see the difference between a theoretical suggestion and actual legislation, there is no amount of “crayon level” explanation that will break through such a wall of willful stupidity.
“And tell us how setting up an independent monitor for the print media is any different from what exists now for the electronic media in the shape of ACMA.”
Gee, a tough one. ACMA monitors the use of shared public spectrum, an independent monitor (how wonderfully orwellian) would be tasked to direct and control the use of privately funded printing presses that use privately purchased materials and are privately distributed and sold (ie no public goods used), seriously, how can anyone be so stupid as to believe they are the same thing?
I brought conscription into this thread because you would have anyway, it was to point out what a whining little turd you are, and you NEVER fail to produce examples of how every ill in your life comes back to it.
A level of self awareness on your part would go a long way, have you ever gone back over your constant trolling and asked yourself why you don’t seem able to stop, even as you make a fool of yourself?
Oh and I’ve got news for you, I’m fine with conscription, I suspect most people are – expecting people to defend the society that supports and protects them is OK with me, you just bore me with your constant whining about it.
I said “theoretically suggesting that something not be shown and actually attempting to legislate to control the media”,
If you really believe that “suggesting that something not be shown” is not censorship, you are a bloody sight thicker than I thought you were.
ACMA monitors the use of shared public spectrum,
And when somebody misuses a part of that spectrum, they act. Just ask Alan Jones.
you NEVER fail to produce examples of how every ill in your life comes back to it.
Please point out how my post about the live export issue connects to “every ill in my life”. I can’t wait for your analysis.
Oh and I’ve got news for you, I’m fine with conscription, I suspect most people are
Given the results of the two WW1 referenda and surveys taken during and after the Vietnam war, unless there’s been a dramatic shift in the thinking of most Australians since then, you’re part of a pretty small minority.
Pollies know that any attempt to reintroduce it in any form would be suicidal.
O’Neill offers some interesting views on conscription post Vietnam –
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10357717008444371?journalCode=caji19
Numbers, censorship requires the backing of force, legal or actual. a suggestion, not backed by force is not censorship you lackwit. there is a dictionary definition, look it up.
Nice non sequtor re ACMA, cretin. I note you chose not to address the difference between the Govt administering shared public spectrum and the Govt taking over editorial responsibility for PRIVATELY owned, produced and distributed newspapers with the full force of law.
Since you chose to dodge the issue (as is normal for you), I assume that you have some idea what a fool you’ve made of yourself.
Re your ongoing obsession with conscription – you’ve just quoted two surveys from over 90 years ago and one from 40 years ago. do you have any idea what a pathetic arse you look like when you do something so stupidly dishonest?
Hint, I’m not interested in your obsession with conscription, I just pointed out that you have one. you bore me, in fact, I suspect you bore everyone else too and not just on the internet.
No, nothing is so boring as a witless cretin,
You wouldn’t know.
What is obvious is that you have never learned the skills of debate/discussion/dialogue without the use of gratuitous abuse.
It’s probably far too late, but here goes – http://www.harvestmoon.coop/forms/nine_rules.pdf
On the subject of what a disturbingly obsessed bore you are numbers – I just noted on Catallaxy Files – “I have noticed a tendency for threads to derail whenever 1735099 turns up. Reliving the war and conscription has become very tedious.”
You see why I pointed out that you ALWAYS come back to conscription now? because you are a total bore on the subject, wherever you go, you just can’t leave it alone.
It’s called assymetrical warfare – works every time.
:-)
No, it is called being a crashing bore and a sad obsessive. it doesn’t change minds.
We are laughing at you, not with you.
Nothing is so boring as reading a series of “me toos” toeing the party line. Perhaps presenting a series of opposing opinions might open a few closed minds, rather than changing them.
It at least livens up a monotonous and predictable discourse.
BTW if you care to check, you’ll notice that the topic of conscription invariably comes up through reactions from those who get up my ribs because they don’t like my tag, and abuse me for it, usually putting shit on my service.
It’s an almost Pavlovian response.
No, nothing is so boring as a witless cretin, such as yourself, who repeatedly lies, moves the goalposts, evades fact and generally bullshits when caught out.
You’ve been repeatedly caught doing the above and been called on it, so forgive me if I assume that you are lying re people picking on you re your service.
Feel free to provide a few links to examples of people doing this, because I’m more inclined to believe that you are lying again. for you, that’s like a pavlovian response.
Feel free to provide a few links to examples of people doing this,
Happy to – http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/04/08/labor-and-the-greens-the-modern-white-australia-policy/
And – http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/04/08/lets-not-relive-the-vietnam-war-in-every-thread/
The problem you have here numbers is that the links you provide don’t actually support your claims, frankly, you are the one being offensive in both threads and the main reference I can find to your service is someone pointing out that you are a dickhead (I’m paraphrasing), but they salute your service.
Yet again, you seem to be full of shit.
It would help if you were at least an interesting bullshitter, but you are a one trick pony of crushing tedium.
One thing I have learned over time here is not to get too involved in refuting your stupidity as it is a time sink, so I’ll let you have the last word on this one, knowing full well that it will involve more lies, you just are not worth the time.
1735099 had better not sell any pups…..if the new owner kicks one he (1735099) would have to gladly claim responsibility for the poor treatment meted out.
1735099 had better not sell any pups
I don’t trade in animals – never have – never will. But if I did, I’d be bloody careful about who I sold to, because I believe I would hold a responsibility for the animal’s welfare. That’s comes of being a bleeding heart, perhaps, but if so, I’m proud of it. Pity there aren’t a few more bleeding hearts around.
The result of the temporary ban on exports has had some benefits.
Under the old framework, exporters were only required to track animals from the property of origin to the port of export and report on the outcome of the voyage.
Under the new framework, before an exporter can be issued an approval to export livestock to Indonesia by the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry (DAFF), they will need to have a supply chain assurance system that demonstrates best practice.
I meet plenty of cockies in my regular trips west. Whilst most of them weren’t happy with the government’s actions, to a man (and woman – there are a few) they expressed disgust at the treatment of the shipments in question, and are very angry at Meat and Livestock Australia for being asleep at the wheel.
The whole issue has been used as a stick to beat the current government about the ears. It’s a tired old meme and most have moved on…you’re the only one who’s been sold a pup.
“Whilst most of them weren’t happy with the government’s actions, to a man (and woman – there are a few) they expressed disgust at the treatment of the shipments in question, and are very angry at Meat and Livestock Australia for being asleep at the wheel.”
Goes without saying 1735099…..I guess if I had to answer to every citified education expert about the rough end of a trade I rely on to make my living, and wished to appear civilised, my answer would be similar. Criticise the fools who without thought, shut down the industry, make my concerns for humane treatment of animals about to be slaughtered known and then blame another entity for failing to follow through. My thoughts on the idea of a seller being responsible for the treatment of the “shipment” (very impersonal) are at odds with yours.
“Bleeding heart” I thought was an American term you denigrated in a previous post somewhere. I guess you got used to it.
“Pity there aren’t a few more bleeding hearts around”…..if they all had your bent on things we’d be in as much debt compared to GDP as Greece.
Bottom line is – if you disagree with a media report, you are happy to have it censored. If you agree with it, then you call it press freedom.
That’s a totalitarian position. You don’t like being called on it.
ACMA hauled Jones over the coals. It made no difference whether his outlet was publicly or PRIVATELY (sic) owned. As for the government “taking over” – that’s hysteria.
As for opinions on conscription, nobody bothers to survey it these days as it’s irrelevant. However, a recent small survey on a student forum is probably indicative. It found 83% against and 17% in favour. That’s probably on the money – http://community.boredofstudies.org/showthread.php?t=213752
You could always post something that isn’t “stupidly dishonest”. Find it.
No, numbers, the bottom line is that you are too wilfully stupid to acknowledge the difference between a suggestion (not legally enforceable) and censorship (backed by the full force of law), but you’ll support censorship just so long as it is your side of politics that wields the red pen. you make me sick, it is people like you who enable totalitarianism, the “useful idiots”.
I don’t care what ACMA did to jones, nice shift of the goalposts there too (another of your standard plays) – ACMA could go after jones because he is broadcast over shared spectrum (a public resource), if he had published his views in a newspaper it is outside ACMAs purview because no public resource is involved. do try to keep up.
You might have noticed that I mentioned that I don’t care about conscription, it is your sad little obsession, not mine.
1735099…..”Tell me what is BS about the content of my post.”
The fact that you actually continually post the drivel about your two years working for the business end of the Military which included a fully paid up overseas trip to hell and back, is B.S. Half the man you claim to be , can be attributed to that experience. You may deny it if you wish, but a denial will not wash with those who served with you. A lot of character improvement came of it, not just the bitter, twisted tripe you wish to disseminate.
The fact that you actually continually post the drivel about your two years working for the business end of the Military
That’s a “fact”?
I doubt you understand the meaning of the word.
You also don’t know the meaning of “continually”?
And I’m still waiting for you to point out the factual errors in my post about conscription.
(You called it “BS”)
Justify that….
If you don’t believe that I understand the meaning of continually then you admit that your whining is continuous and approaching the sound of a 250 cc two stroke motor cycle in third gear going for the finish line.
The B.S. is the continual reiteration not the content D.H.
And you are cherry picking the post without referral to other points mentioned…..as usual.
1735099 “a recent small survey on a student forum is probably indicative. It found 83% against and 17% in favour. That’s probably on the money – ”
I guess you could have pulled those figures from a student poll from the 60s and 70s, 80s and 90s etc etc…..numbers rigging again…..choose a subject and then select your pollsters according to the required result.
I reckon you could have got better numbers “for” by polling those have been there done that, and who more qualified to give an opinion than those who in your belief should be anti conscription. The truth is that a good many men who have been through the system, and like yourself, harangued by those who haven’t, still believe conscription to have been beneficial,….. unlike yourself.
“nobody bothers to survey it these days as it’s irrelevant. However, a recent small survey on a student forum is probably indicative. It found 83% against and 17% in favour”
Kick me if I am incorrect, but there appears to be some contradiction here. Or are you saying that the students involved in the recent small survey are nobodies…..I am sure they don’t believe so.
1735099 I certainly hope you don’t include me in “because they don’t like my tag, and abuse me for it, usually putting shit on my service”. I would take offence at the inference. I like hanging shit on your ideas and politics and religion and the fact that you are unchangeable in that regard. I do not hang shit on a man’s service, whether it be voluntary or involuntary. There were enough fools about years ago to do that. A man who had strong feelings for not wanting to serve, but did so should be respected for that. Most of the shit you cop is for repetitive reiteration of reiteration of what you didn’t like about your service. It as if you are trying to make an important point and no one will listen. Believe me no one is listening any more. What was it you said…..something about irrelevance after 40 years. Stop trying to convert the converted. Say what you have to say and stay away from what you see as the worst two years of your life. Other people with the same difficulty seek assistance. You claim to have been involved in counselling and advocacy, look closer to home.
1735099 Feel free to provide a few links to examples of people doing this,
Happy to – http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/04/08/labor-and-the-greens-the-modern-white-australia-policy/
And – http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/04/08/lets-not-relive-the-vietnam-war-in-every-thread/
Had a bit of a browse……I reiterate…..don’t bring your service up and avoid being a know all and you may get a better response. Although I’m not sure you haven’t “made your bed” already.