No way, Amnesty
HUMAN rights group Amnesty International is calling on Australians and others to write to Indonesian authorities urging them to halt plans to execute three Bali bombers.
Sure!. Just a little bit after they ask Australians to write to Indonesian authorities seeking the retrial of Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir in the interests of the human rights of the Bali dead. In fact if Amnesty agitated for his retrial I might consider writing such a letter asking them to postpone the execution of the three bombers until Bashir is convicted and ready for the bullet as well.
Silence them in one hit…a message to other followers of the insanity.
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Reality bites…..we’ll be having a bar-b….any chance of tv coverage?
“Silence them in one hit…a message to other followers of the insanity.”
Unlike Amnesty International, I won’t be shedding any tears when the Bali Bombers go down, but unfortunately, in one sense it’s exactly what they want.
They believe, in all sincerity,that there will be 72 virgins waiting for them on the other side. So do their wannabe followers. Their executions, rather than discouraging these other crazies (in Indonesia, or anywhere else for that matter), will probably have precisely the opposite effect.
A counter suggestion – lock them up in a Guantanamo style institution with no access to the outside world, and simply leave them there – no publicity – no martyrdom – no virgins – and no encouragement to any more of their ilk. And lock Abu Bakar Bashir up with them.
You’re right, execution most probably doesn’t deter them but it does remove the perpetrators from the formula. I doubt if incarceration would stand the test of time; should things worsen in Indonesia someone would be happy to release them and that would send a worse message.
“A counter suggestion – lock them up in a Guantanamo style institution with no access to the outside world, and simply leave them there – no publicity – no martyrdom – no virgins – and no encouragement to any more of their ilk.”
Alas, more thumb sucking from 17.
Imprisoned, these boys are likely to be released during the term of any future
Indo coalition govt. that relies on a Muslim Party votes in the parliament.
Starting to see how it works now 17?
Very few want or believe the virgin option….otherwise a quick DIY explosive belt
would be the choice of thousands and it isn’t.
Surprising to the comrades no doubt.
“a quick DIY explosive belt would be the choice of thousands and it isn’t.”
Explosive belts don’t need to be the choice of thousands – it requires only one person in a crowd of hundreds – one basic principle of asymmetric warfare.
To get a handle on the mindset of the terrorists, get hold of a copy of “People Like Us” (Picador), by Waleed Aly, a Muslim lawyer from Melbourne.
He maintains that Osama Bin Laden has no organisational influence on terrorism in the name of Islam, but provides a powerful symbolic presence. he also argues that the major terrorist threat is now from what he describes as “amateurs”, in other words, disaffected young Muslims who basically recruit themselves, inspired by Bin Laden’s rhetoric.
The metaphor he uses is that of a “liquid threat”.
He describes trying to eliminate them using conventional force as like hitting a ball of mercury with a sledge hammer. The mercury simply scatters and reforms in a different form in a different location.
Incidentally, who are the “comrades”?
Hey, if Waleed told you it was Thursday, I’d check a calendar. For a slightly more indepth view of the current position of Al Queda, I recommend reading this article and visiting this website.
Article:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/09/a_quiet_triumph_may_be_brewing.html
Site:
http://warintel.blogspot.com/2007/09/usa-just-misses-binny-807.html
“He maintains that Osama Bin Laden has no organisational influence on terrorism in the name of Islam,”
This is straight up, A-grade, 1st class bullshit. Recognise taqqiya when you see it.
The influence is not organisational, but at the most influential. – It is certainly symbolic, although no less effective as a result. The articles you refer to actually reinforce this point.
The thrust of Robison’s article is twofold. He maintains that a split is developing between Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and he draws a link between thwarted terrorist attacks in Germany and conflict between the Taliban and the Uzbeks of the IMU/IJU.
This level of coordination, if indeed it exists, points to influence rather than organisation.
His reading of events reinforces a notion of disparate cells, united only by a common enemy, and acting opportunistically to secure goals which have as their only common thread a hatred of Israel and America.
Disengagement is not an option in terms of dealing with terrorists where they operate and where they are clearly identifiable. Waleed Ali does not support disengagement. He attempts to provide an explanation of what drives them.
What is counterproductive to security is the generation of an atmosphere of fear and hate which provides fuel on which the homegrown Jihadis thrive. This atmosphere is alive and well in this country at the moment – ask any Muslim.
The other interesting point about Robison’s article is this quote –
“The center of the action is in Pakistan and Afghanistan, the very territory which is thought to harbor Usama, and from which Al Qaeda was able to launch 9/11.”
I’ve heard this somewhere before – sounds a bit like ALP policy.
“What is counterproductive to security is the generation of an atmosphere of fear and hate which provides fuel on which the homegrown Jihadis thrive. This atmosphere is alive and well in this country at the moment – ask any Muslim.”– 1735099
err I have, But not ones that are looking for political or social gains.
They say they feel quite safe and un-harassed.
It’s the one’s you hang out with that spout veiled threats when offended. You would have us think the CIA and ASIO aren’t doing anything. But I shouldn’t bother since regurgitating talking points from MSM and anybody to the left of Martin Luther King is all you have.
Totally agree Kev, these scumbags should rot in hell.
Gary
The talking point came from an article recommended to me by CB on this blog.
“Hanging out” is something I avoid. At my age it causes falls.